{"id":22520,"date":"2018-10-19T22:24:52","date_gmt":"2018-10-19T21:24:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.diaryofanadi.co.uk\/?p=22520"},"modified":"2022-12-22T21:24:13","modified_gmt":"2022-12-22T21:24:13","slug":"advanced-stop-lines-say-what","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/diaryofanadi.co.uk\/?p=22520","title":{"rendered":"Advanced Stop Lines – Say What?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

\"PebblesIn this months issue of Intelligent Instructor magazine<\/a>, there is an article from the RAC, the heading of which suggests that motorists could face being fined and getting points on their licences if they stop inside the cycle forward area (advanced stop lines) at traffic lights. The full RAC news release is here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019m absolutely in favour of that, because the number of drivers who ignore them totally – especially taxis, Audis, BMWs, motorcyclists, and other crap drivers – drives me mad. They\u2019re there for a reason, and shouldn\u2019t be ignored.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

However, there are no links whatsoever indicating where this has come from, or how reliable it is, and the only quoted source appears to be \u201cOlympic cyclist Sir Chris Hoy\u201d. On top of that, motorists can already be fined for stopping in the box (see later). So you have as much balance as you\u2019d have trying to place a rock on a tightrope. Consequently, I did a bit of Googling, and immediately came up with this article in The Sun<\/a> (a UK tabloid, registered at the Post Office as a comic). This one is much<\/strong> more interesting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In this article, dated only a couple of days ago (and more recent than the RAC story, which is from last week), it seems that cyclists<\/strong> could find themselves being fined up to \u00a31,000 if they go over the second (stop) line. And as we all know, most of them do (the ones that don\u2019t use the pavement at the last minute instead, then skip back on to the road once they get across the pedestrian crossings). To be fair, there are no absolute links in this article, either, though they do quote rather more balanced sources than the RAC does.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The thing is, drivers can already be fined and get points on their licence for stopping after the 1st line – and that\u2019s official, from the police<\/a>. So is the fact that cyclists can already be fined for crossing the 2nd line. It isn\u2019t actually illegal for a motor vehicle to stop in the cycle area unless you do it after the light has changed to red – it\u2019s not illegal if the light changes as you are passing through the box.<\/strong> Of course, the problem with that is that it has to be witnessed by a policeman or caught on camera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It would appear that the only thing changing is the price list. I cannot see how they could possibly make it completely illegal for a motorist to stop in the cycle area, since there are sometimes extenuating circumstances. The one that jumps instantly to mind is on someone\u2019s driving test – they haven\u2019t seen a red light, the examiner uses the dual controls, and they stop in the box. It happens – it actually happened to one of mine less than a month ago – and the only alternatives would be to shoot the red and either get a prosecution notice or collide with someone, or brake so hard someone goes into the back. DVSA would love having to deal with the fallout from those.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You will also note that the cycle forward area is only for pedal cycles. Motorcycles and motor scooters are classed as motor vehicles along with cars, buses, vans, lorries, etc., and are not supposed to use them. I don\u2019t need to point out that motorcycles and scooters routinely weave past and stop in them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The only changes that I definitely think should be made are that cyclists get fined the same as motorists for not complying with the rules, and that enforcement is equally distributed. If the fine is increased from the current \u00a350 for cyclists and \u00a3100 for motorists to the suggested \u201cup to\u201d \u00a31,000 for everyone, and cyclists get nailed as readily as motorists, then good. And tough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n